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"I was happy to work all night when I began my banking career"

When I began my career as an equity researcher, I worked so hard that I developed a twitch in my left eye. It had nothing to do with needing glasses or with my eye muscles. It was stress, pure and simple.

We were expected to do whatever it took to get the job done. And we were happy to do it. 

My battle stories are legion. There was a time I was in the office for all of one weekend, building an earnings model for the largest company in my coverage industry from scratch, cell by cell. There was a time I stayed up all night trying to assess the implications of a piece of legislation that passed the Senate on a 97-0 vote after midnight for an industry I covered. There was a time that Fidelity, the firm's largest stock-trading client, called and asked if I could build a pricing model and fax it to them (in pre-email days) the next morning, knowing full well I'd need to work through the night to do so. 

I was happy to do all of this. I was happy because I could tell my boss and the equity salesman in Boston who covered Fidelty (probably then the single most important equity sales person in the firm) what I had done for his client, and indirectly, for him. I was happy because I wanted to be a hero (in Wall Street terms); because I wanted to produce great research and win client votes (and the commission dollars that would flow from those votes), because I wanted a raise, and because I wanted a bonus guarantee. If I didn't sleep one night, I could sleep the next or on the weekend. - I was young and this was what the job involved. It's what it's always involved. 

Today's juniors don't seem to get this. They claim to be surprised by the hours and I don't understand why. These kids competed fiercely to get jobs at global behemoth investment banks like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and JPMorgan. Unless they had some personal connection to a powerful manager, they got their jobs because they demonstrated intelligence, achievement, and drive. They should therefore have understood what's required to earn a salary of $100k-$120k straight from college. And if they got the job because of a personal connection, they should have understood even more about what the jobs are like.

Were the summer internships they completed really so different to their full time roles? Granted, internships can be more like urban summer camps than actual work, but how could these juniors not notice the lives of the first-year investment banking analysts and associates all around them?

Junior bankers should learn to play the cards they've dealt to themselves, and to stop complaining. This is the choice they made.

My own children haven't gone into banking or into management consulting. Both are now figuring out how to live on a lot less than $120k a year. Their friends who went into banking are being paid a lot more: extra work is part of that territory.

Personally, I eventually progressed beyond the all-nighters and working all weekend. I got a different boss and I moved into a slightly less high pressure environment. I got my guarantee and I earned the right to relax a bit. The twitch went away and the stress lessened. It's a phase you go through; we've all done it. 

Scott Brown is a pseudonym

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  • Jo
    Josh Landers
    12 September 2021

    100K / 2000hrs
    Vs
    100K / 4000hrs

    Lower pay with no time to take care of myself?

    Your post is a promotion of self harm. It's toxic to suggest others can handle an eye twitch and stress and no sleep. No you can't sleep next weekend. No sleep for one night is the same as going on a bender with alcohol. In damage and effect. How much more productive would your first and only 2k working hours have been if you got the rest your brain needed?

    It sounds more like you shot yourself in the foot to get the corner office. I think you were this hoping to present your career as exciting and worth your time. That's not what I hear. I feel like you have high blood pressure, and are heading towards a stroke. Hopefully your bank gave you good insurance for the medication and care you will need forever more. All for the sake of a bonus.

  • Jo
    Josh Landers
    12 September 2021

    So what you are saying is:
    1. You made a choice in the pre-email days to apply for a large banking career.
    2. You signed a contract that probably specifically stated how many hours you needed to work
    A. You did read that part or assumed it wasn't your entitled right to only work 40 to 50 hours.
    B. You stayed after dark and picked up the phone to get more work at no greater hourly rate (because you are salaried and bonus is not a biweekly paycheck)
    3. You now expect others to make the same mistakes as yourself but you happened to survive self-harm??

    You made that choice and are now perpetrating the situation you found yourself in in the 80s. 90s and 2000s.
    Well guess what? You made the mistake. The modern inter know 3 things you didn't:
    1) money and a salary isn't everything.
    2) the Interns of today know #1 as fact. That saw the first year bankers and said "my time is valuable, both when I'm at work and not". In fact I would argue your time outside of work is 10 times more important than inside,
    3) Because... You have to leave work to go and spend money, and in order for banks to make money you have to not be at work so you can go and spend it. Working all weekend with your big fat paycheck but not using it? How is that gonna help the economy?

    While what you suggested makes me throw up in my mouth a bit, I wonder if you ever thought... How much value is this work? If you made a spreadsheet for modeling a Fortune 500 company but it means you can go outside of the office... How valuable is that? Even an artist should be able to see people enjoy their work. Who saw yours? Who said that you were supposed to be there at midnight? You ... You did all that. You harmed yourself by not saying "Fidelity I know you want this in the morning but the office is closed until morning." You did not have to pick up the phone or read the fax. You could have taken it home with you slept and got up early. You could have thought about yourself before your boss.

    Stop telling people to work 6 to 7 days a week and 10 to 18 hours days. Perhaps collectively the banking industry could lower their stress and raise creativity output for actual problems faced by society other than "how to merge two large companies" or "how to exploit xyz". Maybe it could have been different for the whole industry if you were the first to say no!

  • As
    Asahi
    9 September 2021

    A couple of problems with this post...

    1. All that work, just to move some money around, and not even beat the S&P 500 (yes, I know this is an over-simplification of what finance tries to achieve, but it captures the gist). It would be comedic, if it didn't result in such a waste of talent and capital over the past few decades.

    2. Finance salary was serious money back in the day, and no other industry on the planet offered such competitive compensation. Today, we have tech offering better money and better lifestyle, while rampant asset inflation has eroded the purchasing power of a "six-figure salary straight from college" that graduates at banks can earn. Yes, that is still quite generous, but it no longer carries the same weight. You cannot demand that employees make the outrageous sacrifices of yesteryear, when your compensation has greatly eroded in purchasing power.

    Juniors are not being lazy or entitled. They are merely reacting to the shifting tectonics. In an industry that is frankly over-glorified and badly managed. Defending the status quo is the worst thing that you could do.

  • Ga
    Gate One
    9 September 2021

    I don't want to work for IB, tech companies offer better wages , benefits and working times. As a poster has said when you work out the hours worked and your pay, you are just earning 20 an hour.
    IB is a relic of the past, tech companies offer more life to work balance and with more pay.

  • Ga
    Gate One
    9 September 2021

    Haha, why would I work for IB when the tech companies offer much more for less hours.
    IB don't pay that much anymore and as some have said hours pay ratio = to a normal job after doing all those hours ,burnout and missing out on the important part of your youth.

    I work for a tech company, I get 2x in wages plus lots of benefits compared to my peers, and have the free time. They are all looking for tech companies after 2 years in IB, they want what I have, pay, work life balance and the free time.

    Banks are not interesting, the time, effort and pay below standard, they are a relic of the past move over banking hello tech.

    Banks would love my background in quants, I have no interest at all.

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