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COMMENT: Why does no one talk about the miserable pay for quants in Paris?

There's a topic that no one seems to discuss: compensation for junior quantitative analysts in Paris. It's bad. - I know from firsthand experience.

I recently graduated from a leading French engineering school with a double degree in quantitative finance. I have a world-leading quantitative masters qualification from a French school that has produced many of the finance industry's top quants.

Equipped with this qualification, I just joined a French investment bank in Paris and to my surprise the salary here is atrocious. I combine several skills: I'm good at maths, familiar with financial products and I have strong programming skills. Being paid this little has therefore come as a terrible shock.

Yes, I'm a recent graduate. Yes, this is my first job. Like many people in my position, I'm facing a "take it or leave it dilemma:" I honestly had not expected to be paid this little, but nor am I in a position to look for something else.

It's all the more galling because I've seen people earning €300k a year who don't seem to know what they're talking about. Yes, they've been in finance for a while, but my knowledge is equal to or greater than theirs. It does not seem fair.

For the moment then, I'm stuck. And I'm poor. If you're an entry-level quant, particularly in Paris, I would appreciate it if you can add your pay below so that I can see how mine compares. And if you're a student who's thinking of pursuing studies in mathematics and quantitative finance, I would advise you this: forget it. - Go and get yourself a qualification in machine learning instead. This is where the interesting jobs - and I presume, the big money - seem to be now.  They're certainly not here.

Daniel Legendre is the pseudonym of a disgruntled quant in La Défense

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    Jean P
    24 October 2018

    As an ex banker, I confirm that clueless and well paid people abound in investment banking as in other large corporations. Quant roles are not always well understood and values by senior management as at the end of the day, only P&L counts. MP's comment regarding pre vs post 2008 managers is also relevant. If you wish to enjoy your work, have an impact and be well paid there are better options outside banking.

  • JZ
    JZ
    24 October 2018

    just move from Paris ......

  • MP
    MP
    22 October 2018

    Hum, looks like I under-estimated how skewed the revenue distribution in France is. A €45k base compensation roughly translates into a €2700 monthly take-home pay. At this level (that is, without any bonus), you are in the top 20% of revenues countrywide. You can check other values there:

    https://www.inegalites.fr/S...

  • MP
    MP
    22 October 2018

    By the way: if you cannot stand working with highly-paid clueless people, get out as soon as possible. I do not know how it is elsewhere, but the French banking industry is replete with people whose pre-2008 life plan of "get rich by 40 and retire" has been shattered by the crisis. So they keep staying there on management positions, have not kept abreast of what's happening, and they will be your bosses.
    Finance is much broader than big banking names: have a look outside.

  • MP
    MP
    22 October 2018

    Since I left the industry recently, I may have more liberty and less stake than others.

    In such a junior position, you should not expect more than €40k-€45k as a base salary. Remember that base salaries are set according to corporate grids, with an almost non-existent negotiation margin. Also remember that this compensation level will put you near the higher 30% revenues nationwide, so you will be far from poor.
    Bonus makes most of the difference. As a risk quant, €5k-€10k would be the norm for an entry position. In corporate finance or market function, they are significantly higher, but I would not expect more than €30k on a exceptional year and for the best-performing in the team.

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