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GUEST COMMENT: The most obnoxious front office bankers originate in the middle and back office

It takes a lot to try my patience. One has to be a slow burner to survive in the junior echelons of a bank. I have a number of remedies for work-related frustration which have prevented me from "going postal" so far. Being able to bottle it up until the mid-week 5-a-side football session or Saturday morning gym session works a treat. Getting trollied never fails either.

However one thing makes me see red quicker than a junior obstetrics doctor pulling on rubber gloves. It's working with the uppity ex-back office banker.

Banks like to talk about front office bankers as "profit centres" whilst labelling the rest "cost centres". I've always found that a bit unfair. The I.T. guys have saved my life more than once the day before an important business meeting.

This dichotomy between banking "lowlifes" vs. "superstars" has stuck. This website seems to be full of "cost centres" desperately trying to break into the front office. Most of them won't make it. They didn't go to the right university (or didn't go at all), don't "talk proper," or aren't smart enough.

With the exception of the last reason, these factors have little to do with potential to shoot the lights out, but that's big banks for you. It's not a coincidence that I don't work for them any longer.

However, during my time in banking I did see some people break free from the middle and back office. They contributed significantly to my urge to get out.

As a previous contributor has noted, most middle and back office colleagues are not motivated. The ones who've made it tend to be the super-keen guys who love mornings (especially after an all-nighter), wear red ties and suck up incessantly to seniors. Their corporate façade is second only to MBA graduates. This makes them unbearable to work with.

When you believe you're the reincarnation Alexander the Great, a huge amount of selective memory is required. The ex-back office guys tend to have forgotten their own humble beginnings entirely. As a result they treat anyone in the "cost centres" with the lack of respect they feel these lowly minions deserve. I've seen it happen several times and it's not pleasant to watch. Here's a P.S.A. Put simply, these guys are not paid enough to take your crap.

If you're recognising yourself in this article, console yourself with one thing. There's a breed of lowlife slightly beneath you in the pay grades of hell. It's the guy who used to be a corporate banker and transitioned into corporate finance. Believe me, it does not get worse than that.

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  • FO
    FO since 21
    14 December 2010

    The answer is, it depends, the BO chaps are usually nice people. The issue is, they have learned to go by the book. That will never change.

    Usually they are a bit older, usually they are not Ivy, usually they have different priorities, and as they have not gone through "the school" they apply templates and stick to manageable situations. All things equal I am afraid intelectually they are not up to parmand i have been around.

    However, the big leaps, the creative stuff, the late idea to solve something will not come from them. it actually often comes from the highly junior geeks kind of types..

    yes, some make it very senior as they usually are politically smart and put their ego behind (most Ivy guys simply won't) and it all does not matter anymore, but they ended up inthe MO for the wrong reasons in the first place.

  • JS
    JS
    8 December 2010

    @ Lis

    Lol!

  • fe
    fergburger
    8 December 2010

    Trading Grad...

    Any grad with a lack of humility is the worst type (ie You).
    You're the type that decided aged 15 (tragically young to decide to be a banker) that they wanted to work for a US BB in the front office and instead of spending their time outside having fun like other teens were either working to get those 10 A* or playing warcraft...

    All work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy- well over 50% of the current grads are like this. Like you trading grad.

  • De
    Derivative Sales
    8 December 2010

    @macro: I absolutely agree. Most people I have come across who are really successful are the ones which do not need to show this alpha behaviour. They are simply dedicated to performing and getting the company and team ahead and they laugh about alpha cocky behaviour.

  • ma
    macro
    8 December 2010

    As a large generalisation, you get two types.
    Type 1 - the guy who feels insecure because he doesn't quite feel part of the desk since he came from the BO/MO, and tries to make up for it by being a quasi-alpha male - arrogant, pushy, inconsiderate, always looks pissed off.
    Type 2 - the secure type, he's made it, and he's happy, now he just wants to perform and because of his previous jobs in MO/BO he's far understanding of the issues they go through, and uses that experience to his advantage and their advantage.

    Being a grad in the MO of the tier 1 bank, I a number of both types on the desks I work for.

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