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Funds of hedge funds still have very generous six figure packages to offer operational due diligence people

Everything may not be totally great in investment banking, but it is definitely worse in funds of hedge funds.

Poor returns, falling fees, pressure for consolidation, and investor dissatisfaction are conspiring to create a nasty combination of lower pay and harder work.

According to Alex Pigault of Allenbridge HedgeInfo, 90% of fund of funds are currently below their high water mark. Last week, Sal Oppenheim closed its Paris office which ran funds of hedge funds, and Reuters ran an article claiming many smaller fund of funds will close.

How bad is bad?

Bad

Stuart McLaren, a partner in Deloitte's investment management business says it's not good.

"Basically, funds of hedge funds will have work harder, for less," he offers. "They do have a future, but it's not as promising as it was. After Madoff, investors are looking at lot more closely at the type of due diligence that they do, and funds need to be a lot more professional about the way they deal with investors.

"This costs money at a time when investors are less willing to pay the fees," he muses.

Phil Irvine, a director of PiRho Investment Consulting says most institutions pay, "nothing near," the headline fees charged by funds of funds - they're all being negotiated down, and that there are plenty of "zombies" in the fund of hedge funds sector.

Slightly nasty

Despite this, one headhunter with a hedge fund focus says there's not an outpouring of people from the fund of hedge funds sector and that some roles are still surprisingly popular.

"There's still plenty of hiring going on in the fund of hedge funds space, and they're still prepared to pay well for operational due diligence roles, which are massively in demand," she says.

Such roles, which require a fusion of legal, accounting, prime broking, and organisational skills, and often go to a team of people rather than a single individual, can apparently pay up to 'high six figure' packages at (successful) funds of hedge funds.

If the worst comes to the worst, you can't get into operational due diligence and your f-o-hf does under, fund of hedge fund people can get rehoused at pension funds according to Irvine.

"As the industry matures, institutions are buying into hedge funds directly," he says. "Pension funds are building up inhouse expertise to help identify hedge fund investments. There will be a transition away from working in the fund of funds industry to working with end clients." Whether they will also offer generous six figure packages remains to be seen.

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
  • Al
    AliDesai
    17 September 2010

    @Master - I assume you are Master FOF. Well, I am sorry that you feel it necessary to resort to such language as calling me a complete idiot. I have to say this is the sort of language that is frowned upon in my small provincial town where even someone as slow as Charlie (who used to work at Goldman) is treated with dignity and respect.

    As for you, I would suggest that perhaps you should brush up on your spelling and grammar. A course in how to write succinct and understandable sentences would do you no harm.

  • Ma
    Master
    17 September 2010

    FoF's were not the biggest investors in Maddoff, indeed the number invested in is actually small!
    Read the answer again, iw as talking about HF returns.
    I think you are prob well educated in finance, but lack commen sense.
    Also i work in fund derivative at a bank not actually a FoHF!
    But i'll prob move at some point, as my experience so far has been that the industy doenst have many complete idiots from provincial towns.

  • Al
    AliDesai
    17 September 2010

    @Master FoHF - I am sorry if you didn't understand the implication of Charlie not sharing his sheep with you ... I will have a word with Charlie and be more explicit that all are welcome to partake of the sheep in our small provincial town. As you might noticed, Charlie is single-minded and may not always respond to a gentle prod.

    However, back to your points for what they are. The fact of the matter is that correlation amongst all hedge fund strategies has been high since about 2006. I mentioned the negative skew of the returns of FoHF which you also glossed over. I didn't say that I don't want to lose money but I also want to participate in the upside and not just the downside. Oh, by the way which FoF returned 50-100% ? And in which year ? In my mind diversification is about variance reduction and having the most efficient portfolio not just about lobbing a few million around your favourite managers.

    Due diligence is the most oversold idea from the FOF world. Where were these wonderful DD teams when Madoff scammed the world ? How much value do they add beyond skimming the OM and talking to service providers ?

    Hope you like your career in FoF.... good luck with it.

  • Ma
    Master FoHF
    17 September 2010

    You didnt acknowledge my point about preferential fees/terms. So i assume you accept FoHFs add value in this way at least.
    Finally, the returns over the past 2 yrs do not look great for most FoHF's when compared to HF. Their is a structural reason - most FoHF's could not take their cash out of losers in 2008 and therefore could not re-deploy. This is an explanation, not an excuse and something that FoHF's have changed their models to accomodate for.
    Many FoHF's have added value over long periods of time.
    Writing all of them and the industry off is frankly stupid, especially by judging over a two year period where your FoHF portfolio prob outperformed every other portfolio of yours!
    I see why you left the big city for hickesville .

  • Ma
    Master FoHF
    17 September 2010

    Hmmm, i see you glossed over my negative connotations of Charlie and the sheep... oh dear...
    I dont have the space on this site to explain in depth -so hopefully you will understand my brief argument and extend it in your own mind. Generally, if you want hedge fund return, you must acccept HF risk, ie that your fund could have a major drawdown/blow-up but also return 50-100% during a flat year for markets, diversification in a HF portfolio is about not having your cash with one fund. If you dont want to ever lose money you need to accept teh risk free rate or invest across non-correlated assets (even in stressed situation) which i'm sure some FoHF providers can do - but accept much lower returns.
    The teams i mentioned are not just for sourcing managers, its also about building appropriate technology, due diligence processes etc. This all takes alot of expertise. yes their is some herd behaviour - but thats human nature and is not a problem of FoHF's. How may star HF managers have the same positions in stock, carry-trades etc?
    Capacity has been plentiful since 2008, but will prob dry up in a number of funds by 2012. SOme managers have already closed for this year.

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