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When quanting is a dead end job

To read The Quants by Scott Paterson, anyone would think that all quants are wealthy brainiacs who spend their time devising mathematical methods of winning at poker, or accidentally stumbling upon ways of beating the market.

This is not the case.

While some quants are earning seven figure sums working at the likes of Renaissance Technologies, a large coterie of quants are employed far away from the front office. And they are not all happy.

A quant commenting on our recent MBA article expressed his frustration. "The PhD programmes only lead to quant work (which is rubbish if you ask me) and the hours are the same as the REAL FO."

Dominic Connor, director at P&D Quant Recruitment, estimates that only around 20-25% of quant roles are truly in the front office. The remainder are in the middle or back office , where they typically earn around half as much, and have a far lower chance of making serious money.

Front office quant titles include, 'structurer,' 'desk quant', 'quant strategist', or 'quant trader.'

Structurers use models and tools to create customised products for clients; strategists look at the way the market is behaving, and customise the output of modelling quants to assist trading decisions; desk quants and quant traders implement models to make trading decisions.

Connor points out that front office work is more about adapting models for use in the real world: "The actual model design happens elsewhere and they customise it for the realities of their market".

Those other quants

Away from the front office, quants are employed to build the models, in quantitative risk, and as model validators. They're also employed as quant researchers, although at some banks quant researchers sit on the trading floor and are therefore deemed part of the front office.

Of this breed, recruiters say so-called, 'modelling quants' are paid the most. Top modelling quants with several years' experience can reportedly earn up to 250-350k. Model validators are paid far less.

However, even 250-350k seems like small change compared to top traders. "One of the reasons that front office quanting is so much more attractive is that average pay there is higher and there is the potential to earn obscene amounts of money," says Connor.

Quant modellers find it easiest to move into the front office. The head of the quant team at another recruitment firm, says most people do it internally: "It's not easy, but plenty of people have done it."

And for those who can't make the move? A middle office career beckons.

Connor says this is not so terrible "Modelling quants work shorter hours and their jobs are more secure. Traders work vicious hours under enormous stress and they have a 25% chance of being fired each year."

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
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    Another FO Quant
    7 April 2011

    An FO Quant, funny enough but I am in the same boat as you. Some years back, I was also tempted to hop over to Model Val and run a group. But these days with the significant adjustments to FO base whilst Model Val stagnated, I no longer see it as a meaningful option. Actually, I like things as they are now. Not sure if that is what the government intended.

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    Todd
    9 May 2010

    250-300k as a quant is as obscene as 25-30k as a post-doc.
    No wonder we end up going back to our mum's with bipolar depression.

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    An FO Quant
    20 April 2010

    These days with the politics about bonus, FO quants have significantly elevated base (like the rest of FO) but not Model Val. So, whilst I personally think the Model Val ranks should not be filled by the leftovers, I fear that is the reality. I am a Front Office quant but at some point in the past I was tempted to hop over to Model Val and run a group. These days I think, actually my base gives me enough reason not to hop.

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    n/a
    20 April 2010

    I would be very happily doing high performance quant/quantdev work for 99k. Heck it, I mean my PhD supervisor is on 60k after 30 years at the university and he is a fully tenured professor with oxbridge studies.

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    symons1
    19 April 2010

    "Model validation is critically important to banks, but none pay enough to attract and retain the right people." Far from the truth. For example, the Goldman Sachs Derivative Analysis group (fancy name for ModVal) often get paid the same as the Front office 'strats' and are renowned for being a stronger team. This is not the only exception to the rule either.

    I agree that the majority of FO Quants earn the bigger bucks, but its guys like Dominic that breed the view that if you are not in the Front office then your quant career is over, and this blasphemy is splattered all over his website forums. Far from this. Model Validation groups are far more visible to Senior management as their work comes from initiatives brought about by the guys at the top not being happy with the work of the front office! Visibility+ Good work= Progression

    There are not enough FO Quant roles to go around, but if you actually enjoy quant work rather than being a traders pet then ModVal, Quant Risk is a good option that will still bring solid 6 figure salaries

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