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GUEST COMMENT: I'm sorry, but proprietary trading DID kill Wall Street

My friends working in proprietary trading won't look kindly on me for saying this, but as far as I'm concerned Paul Volcker is right - their jobs should be separated out from the banks they work for. It's time for them to function on their own.

The newly designated Volcker Rule, if implemented, would disallow proprietary activities from those institutions taking consumer deposits. This implementation would effectively reinstitute the Glass-Steagall Act which was rescinded in 1999.

The proprietary activities most often highlighted by those in the banking community are investment and trading activity within private equity, hedge fund and prop trading desks. The banks are screaming that these activities should not and need not be separated from their overall operations because these activities did not cause our economic crisis. They would be correct on one hand, but how convenient that their definition of proprietary is not truly comprehensive. How so?

I raised the question as to what constitutes proprietary trading when I wrote, "Mr. President, Are SIVs Considered Prop Trading?" What is a SIV? A structured investment vehicle. How did they work?

A separate entity would be set up off balance sheet, typically funded through the commercial paper market, with a spread made between the differential in funding cost and return on assets purchased. These SIVs were often viewed as very low risk because they invested in AAA if not AAA+ assets. How can an asset be rated AAA+? Easily . . . rating agencies provided that rating to certain bonds in selected deals which had a better risk profile than that of the AAA bond. These AAA+ bonds were also called super-senior bonds.

The brain surgeons running the banks viewed these SIVs as cash cows. Given the liquidity in the commercial paper market and the AAA+ rating on the bonds, the banks would typically accrue 20-25 basis points (.20-.25%) on the SIV and go back to managing the real risks in their other business units.

So let's get this straight. The SIV borrowed money through the commercial paper market and purchased assets from other banks or from its own broker-dealer operation. In the process, the SIV generated what appeared to be low returns, but also with low risk.

Would you call this a proprietary business? I would. Well, what happened to these supposed low risk vehicles?

Funding dried up given the highly suspect quality of the assets purchased into the SIVs. The value of the assets themselves dropped like a rock. The banks owned hundreds of billions of assets in these SIVs. The losses brought Wall Street and the US to its knees.

Let's stop with the nonsense that proprietary activities did not bring down Wall Street. A SIV is and was very much proprietary.

When will the crowd in Washington and Wall Street be honest with themselves and America and acknowledge this?

Larry Doyle has worked as a senior banker at Bear Stearns, JP Morgan, UBS and Bank of America. He is author of the financial services blog, Sense on Cents.

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  • Xa
    Xanthus
    10 February 2010

    Lis - Re: "Isn't it funny - when people run out of arguments, they start discuss personalities of their opponents. It is particularly true on anonymous internet forums :)."

    Yes, true. Please accept my apologies. I probably did get carried away - I did not mean to offend, but I probably did. Sorry. Thanks (hopefully) for being a good sport about my mistake.

    Bye

  • Si
    Simple II
    9 February 2010

    Its simple seems to have a grasp...
    I am amazed how people can loose themselves in endless discussions that completely miss the point.
    I myself worked in securitization and surely know how the structures work.

  • Li
    Lis
    9 February 2010

    "Lis, your statement "Why should we ban prop trading but encourage lending? " is a good example."

    Xanthus - does the word "irony" mean anything to you? Of course, my point was not about banning lending. What I was saying is that there is no fundamental difference between the 2 activities. Buying a bond is in fact similar to granting a loan. If one activity (lending) is a good thing, so is the other (prop). Of course, they both need to be regulated.

    "...and you would be out of a job, relying on food parcels from your relatives in the Congo..."

    Isn't it funny - when people run out of arguments, they start discuss personalities of their opponents. It is particularly true on anonymous internet forums :). By the way, how would ban on prop have prevented Jerome Kerviel's incident? Right, it wouldn't have. All Jerome's positions were "hedged" by client trades... too bad those clients did not exist.

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    manoharsutar
    9 February 2010

    Three main reasons for the downfall in the Wall Street is:

    1. Excessive Leverage
    2. Lack of Humility in Bankers (Need Vs. Greed)
    3. Destructive creativity (Derivatives)

    The lesson here is "Some people are less fortunate they learn from their own mistakes and some people are more fortunate they learn from other's mistake. Wall Street is one category who blame others for mistakes and is least interested in learing from it.

  • Xa
    Xanthus
    9 February 2010

    These readers comments here are mostly by people who think they know a lot, but don't.

    Me - you wrote "wrong again!! It was NOT irresponsible lending, but irresponsible borrowing!!" - this is a great arguement, you should do really well as the "Riddler" on the next Batman movie

    Scott P - you wrote "Prop trading desks, in its pure sense, rarely if ever will take down a bank" - mmm .. what about Nic Leeson from Barings, Jerome Kerviel from Soc Gen, John Meriwether from LTCM, Mr Copper from Sumitomo, and the list goes on and on - you should get yourself a job with Gordon Brown - you seem qualified

    Lis - almost every comment you have made here is false and juvenile, and seems to suggest a fundamental lack of knowledge of the issue.

    Lis, your statement "Why should we ban prop trading but encourage lending? " is a good example. You know that this country would virtually grind to a halt if there was no lending, and you would be out of a job, relying on food parcels from your relatives in the Congo

    Anon - Claiming the author is 'bitter' is not really a persuasive rebuttal, is it? It's like me saying you have buck teeth and bad breath, so you shouldn't be on this forum

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