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GUEST COMMENT: Frankly, I have no intention of moving to Geneva

Will the increasingly apocalyptic view of the UK as a place hostile to bankers really drive us into the loving embrace of the Swiss?

From a corporate point of view, as mooted recently by Goldmans among others, it might make sense: escape (some of) the bonus tax, pay a lower level of corporate tax (or none at all); sell

their employees on lower income tax levels, lakes, skiing and strudels.

Sounds good? For low-touch, largely electronic businesses, it probably is. Their success is almost entirely predicated on the strengths of their systems and their people. For most business areas, however, Switzerland is a no-no. And this is because...

The clients aren't there

Ok, there are some some clients in Switzerland. However, most of them are already serviced by the local Swiss office. If several banks move several teams, the local clients will find it necessary to go into hiding and change their mobile numbers.

If you move a sales-facing team in equities to Switzerland they'll spend a lot of their time flying back and forth to London, where all the clients really are.

UBS owns the place

Whatever the business area, you can be pretty sure that UBS got there first. From retail to corporate work, they've been there are done that with those clients for years. If, for some reason, UBS doesn't have it covered, your local office probably does (and if not yours, then someone else's).

You don't speak the language

Yes, everyone speaks English and speaks it well. You will be able to communicate. However, the locals will also speak at least one other and probably two other languages. You will therefore be excluded from these conversations which are often the friendly bits that set up relationships at the beginning and end of meetings.

Income tax is not as straight forward as it looks

Swiss taxes are imposed nationally and by the Cantons. They can apply to your worldwide income and assets (your London home for example and any rental income). The Cantons have a lot of discretion in what they charge and taxes can vary wildly from area to area. Generally speaking, the nicer the area you live in, the more tax you will pay.

In the past it has been possible to minimise your tax bill, but the Swiss authorities, especially at theCanton level, are very aware of these practices and are seeking to stamp them out. The 'lump sum' taxation option, which is often what people think of when considering a move, is only available to non working residents and, therefore, bankers don't qualify (at least on a technicality).

Your family...

...won't want to live in Geneva. It's not New York, it's not even Hong Kong. Yes, it's very pretty but it's as exciting as The Thames Gateway on a Tuesday evening. No thanks, they'll stay in London and you'll be in a rental flat on your own for at least four nights a week.

Yes, London is expensive and getting more so but at least we can meet in the pub and whinge about it - together.

The author is a senior banker who has recently started a new job (in London).

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  • Je
    Jeremy
    9 March 2010

    My colleague that works in Monaco has told me that he is forever meeting ex City guys now in Switzerland who are bored to death and want to go back to London or find somewhere with more life, which is where his brokerage in Monaco scores highly. Same clients, same job but more net earnings in a damn cool place ( it has skiing and it has sun!!!!). old playboy image is not reality out there

  • Ex
    Ex-Geneva
    16 February 2010

    I second 'correct'. Having lived and worked in Geneva I can swear that it is culturally null and void. The general level of interest in almost every corner of existence is so low that it can be amusing at best, in the most derogatory of possible interpretations.
    Is there there a St. James filled with one-off shops, a West End, a Soho, a country pub less than an hours drive? If all you can think about is saving a few percent on taxes than you have found yourself living in a very sad, regrettable state of being and you are more to be pitied than scorned. I do not judge you, rather I think you should reassess what you really hold dear, why you joined this mug's game and what you hope to tell your children about what you achieved in life, why you made the choices you did and whether you are proud of the life you lived. Geneva is Dubai with snow (at times, more grey than anything else) that lacks the same fabric that makes the difference between a town and a city.
    Travelling and experiencing new places is a wonderful experience. If you move to Switzerland you can do better than Geneva. My choice would be Zurich. If it must be Geneva to work, try living in Lausanne; Alps, lake, etc

  • co
    correct
    15 February 2010

    London, despite it's faults, is the most exciting city on the planet culturally. I know many people who work in the finance industry are interested soley in money, there must be some of them who understand the cultural benefits of being here. I was born in an offshore tax haven and left as soon as I could. No culture, boring people and nothing to do. A great article.

  • Li
    Little Swiss
    15 February 2010

    But when in London in the late afternoon the pubs are closed there is still some fun in Geneva.

  • Ma
    Maharishi
    15 February 2010

    London. Love it or Leave it.
    No-one will miss you when you're gone.

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