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GUEST COMMENT: It's OK, you are not socially useless

If you are a trader or you work with fixed income or derivative products, you may be feeling despondent: Lord Turner, chairman of the FSA, thinks you're socially useless. If you work in exotic derivatives specifically, so does Lloyd Blankfein.

I beg to disagree.

Proprietary trading plays a valuable role in price determination and price discovery. Fundamental analysis helps traders determine the right price. If that analysis is correct and better than the rest of the market's, trades should be profitable.

Hedging and fixed income also seem strange targets for the socially useless tag. Without fixed income businesses it is hard to see how government bonds would be issued, distributed and traded, or how interest rates would be determined beyond the very short term. There can also be little doubt that fixed income businesses are generally highly profitable

Nor are all derivative products legitimate targets. Derivatives cover everything from simple structures designed by corporates to achieve a financing directive, to esoteric and highly complex products aimed at private investors. The social contribution of the latter may be hard to discern, but the value in allowing a freight company to hedge against the price of oil is surely clear.

Admittedly, there are some activities undertaken by banks whose value is questionable. Take, for example, high volume technically driven trading between banks. This is based on fine margins, perhaps reflecting different internal pricing assumptions. It incurs costs, elevates risk in the system and is a zero sum game for the industry. Based on social measures, it shouldn't survive.

However, in a market economy, it shouldn't be necessary to justify the social value of a function. Social usefulness is a test for the public sector. In the end market forces will drive out uneconomic business in the private sector.

In the meantime, it comes down to a personal and ethical decision. Can you identify the economic value in the business you work in and if not, can you live with that? If there is value there, then make money for your employer and enjoy the bonus. The taxes paid can assuage any social guilt.

If not then you could be courageous; tell your boss, persuade your employer to shut your business down and move you to something economically viable. That may not mean working for the FSA.

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  • ro
    roger
    11 September 2009

    @dd -

    traders & sales = top revenue generators in a bank BY FAR. The articles talks about them ONLY because they are the ones who matter most in an investment firm. Think about it.

  • dd
    dd
    11 September 2009

    the Guest wrote about Trading and about Derivatives; it's interesting that all but one of the commenters instead talked only about investment banking -- a completely different area/sector/activity.

  • Wh
    What's The Meaning of Life / D
    10 September 2009

    Yup, it's a bit hard explaining to oneself what the hell is the point of getting out of bed for if working in the City. Let's face it, we don;t really save any lives, or create better societies, or improve food production and distribution to poor people etc. Unless it's to do with earning a few bob more than you really deserve to pay for yourself (and your family, if you're lucky to have one) have a slightly more comfortable life. This especially goes for any City people (including myself) who used to have a proper job before, where you didn't spend most of your time wondering about how much more overpaid do you really have to be until you can consider yourself happy/successful.

  • Jo
    Johnny Moondog
    10 September 2009

    Full respect to the author of this article, because you made a respectable case......No matter how you cut it, traders are much more useful to society than incompetent, bloated bureaucrats like "Lord" Turner, Gordon Brown and Mr. Darling. Ultimately their lack of understanding of the most basic human urges (greed), and failure to regulate markets BEFORE they imploded, make them responsible for the whole saga.

    However, we have heard the arguments about "price discovery", "price stabilization", "flow of capital to those who need it from those who have surplus", etc.

    Anyone who believes this tripe hasn't been watching the price of world commodities (particularly interest rates, oil, and metals) over the past 4 years. Nothing stable about oil going from $30/bbl to $150/bbl, back to $30/bbl.

    So forget any "social good", admit that we are more or less useless, and any successes we do have are 100% attributable to luck. But we do pay taxes and that's worth something.

  • Li
    Liaquat Ali
    10 September 2009

    The now en vogue term, "socially useless" is letting this parasitical "industry" go easy. I have a reason to believe that it was coined to ease pressure on these criminals. "Totally useless" or "mostly useless" is more like it:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...

    http://www.dofonline.co.uk/...

    http://www.finfacts.ie/iris...

    What does investment banking have to do with fixed income?

    Based on my research, a very simple infrastructure for gathering and disbursing risk capital is needed. That's all.

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