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EDITOR'S TAKE: It's hard not to pay your investment bankers when they're saving your skin

Today's results from the Lloyds Banking Group are a nasty reminder of what can happen if you don't have an investment banking arm to set things right.

Thanks to the truly rancid loan portfolio it inherited from HBOS, Lloyds booked a 4bn pre-tax loss in the first half. Its measly wholesale banking operation was unable to compensate.

Other banks have been spared. For example, at HSBC, profits from global banking and markets offset the $3bn writedown at its US consumer lending business. At most banks with a wholesale banking arm, investment banking activities account for a high and rising proportion of profits.

In the circumstances therefore, it's surely right to wise your investment bankers for keeping you afloat?

Historical precedent dictates that banks should pay around 50% of their investment banking revenues as compensation. At Goldman Sachs, where traders made $100m on 46 out of 65 trading days in Q2, 48% of revenues were set aside for comp.

Some banks are bucking this trend. As we've noted, BNP Paribas and HSBC are paying a significantly lower proportion of investment banking revenues to staff.

Longer term, analysts such as Peter Thorne at Helvea in London are predicting that compensation as a percentage of revenues will fall far below 50% at most banks. For the moment, however, organizations that don't reward employees of their successful investment banking businesses are liable to shoot themselves in the foot.

Profits from investment banking activities as a percentage of the total

Profits from investment banking activities as a percentage of the total

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
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    sAAAAAAA
    6 August 2009

    hmmm.. talk about profits and losses. when a bank makes profit all the traders etc. line up for a bonus - way in excess of their pay package. But when a bank makes losses - do these same traders opt to pay the debt? so, the general idea is when a bank makes a profit everyone gets a bonus and when a bank makes a losses then there is no payback - even voluantary - some do still get a bonus - gets better? the argument is these traders get a fixed pay package like the rest of the workers - no matter the banks make a loss or a profilt. afterall they are gambling the shareholders, deposit cash investors and other loans made to mortgage borrowers who payback loans everymonth - come rain or sunshine.

    When a bank makes a loss - it's the bank that makes a loss and they are ready to move on or resign. when a a bank makes a profit - it's we all made a profit. LOL.... i guess that's the way of the world - nobody will hold your hand in times of trouble.
    IT IS NOT THEIR MONEY - IF IT WAS THEIR MONEY - I BET THEY WILL NOT PUT UP A PENNY.

    about me - yep you guessed it.

    after all trader can do a msc in oil management or an mba. lol

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    Adorable
    6 August 2009

    I believe that the reason why Barclays has made profit and continues to make profit is because they have always been very cautious with risk. That said, does anyone deserve excessive bonus payments and salary as reported (72 million per annum) when most people live on less than a dollar a day? I and many others, think not and that's why the public are rather perplexed. Employers have to recognise and reward employee hardwork, contribution and results but in a reasonable and commensurate way and not the obscene amounts that we hear and read about. The previous bonus culture in the City/Wall street have to be put into perspective of real life and human existence.

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    reality check
    6 August 2009

    So if I understand you correctly, your view is that a conservative bank like Lloyds should, instead of slowly derisking the HBOS portffolio and in the future re-focus on their core business model of lending to the economy, hire some expensive investmentbanker to gamble the money in hope they make a quick few bucks? Surprising suggestion in my view! Especially in lieu of very recent research (Lehman bust/Merril bust/Citi bust/Bofa bust/Goldman almost bust) showing that investment banking bears uncontrollable risks...

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