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Is Lloyds alone in replacing UK IT contractors with Indian workers?

Lloyds TSB seems to have grasped the nettle when it comes to offshoring IT roles, to the extent that it's actually bringing Indian technology contractors to the UK at the expense of local roles. Understandably, it's incurred the wrath of the unions, but it is really that unique?

Last week, it emerged that Lloyds was introducing a blanket 15% rate cut for its UK IT contractors, and now the Lloyds TSB Group Union has exposed the "outrageous" practice of bringing in tech Indian workers at a lower rate.

Mark Brown, assistant general secretary, says: "Not content with offshoring 4,500 jobs, the bank is now flying in hundreds of Indian staff to work in the UK and take the jobs of UK-based staff."

The union claims Lloyds is the only major employer to do this, but that might not be strictly true even if most firms aren't quite as overt.

As Nigel Roxburgh, research director at the National Outsourcing Association says, it's fairly common practice that once UK roles have been handed to an offshored service provider for the firm to then fly over Indian workers to the UK, often at a lower rate.

"I'd be highly surprised if no other bank was employing the same practice," he says.

He says the saving is still "significant" with the daily rate often being as much as 50% lower for an Indian worker compared to a UK counterpart.

RBS, for example, has a contract with Infosys Technologies of Bangalore and in March it was reported the firm was carrying out IT functions in Scotland for the bank. UK contractors feared this was a precursor to more outsourcing.

After a brief hiatus, offshoring appears to have picked up pace again anyway. UBS is said to be pondering moving 4,000 positions to India over the next two years.

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AUTHORPaul Clarke
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    emidgley
    24 July 2009

    All front office financial trading should be outsourced, these guys are way overpaid, and have amply proved they are useless. They need to upskill, and downshift their expectations, most, probably have no relevant qualifiactions, and must expect a much lower quality of life in the future, especially if you don't speak canonese. God, the crap some people talk.

  • mi
    midgley
    16 July 2009

    Lloyds is a charity, oh yes it is, you have a short memory. I seem to remember coming cap in hand to the general public. Now they (and the rest of the banks) thank you, by charging exhorbitant rates for loans, even when the base rate is 0.5% and paying nothing on savings. So you lend them money, and the banks pay that money bank by stiffing you again. Nice work if you can get it. To add insult to injury, LBG is giving jobs away outside of the UK, in direct contravention to the governements assertions. To all who say this is just good business, well, when it's all outsourced and we're all either on the dole, and or in much lower paid jobs, how is this going to effect the macro economy, and hence how much tax you'll will have to pay? Madness, pure madness.

    In addition to this, where do you think the good workers in places like India go, yep, the UK, USA etc, where they charge exactly what us onshorers charge, and what do you think is left in India, that's right, the dross!

  • Ow
    Owl
    10 July 2009

    Wise up Dave, these Indian workers are payed in India (plus expenses which are tax deductible), so don't pay British tax or NI. They don't spend money locally, as soon as they set foot in the country they are entitled to free NHS (many use the opportunity to have babies) , the only people who benfit are the international IT companies exploiting weak HMRC visa rules (HMRC IT projects run by Cap Gemini actually have a new mantra of hiring Cap India workers, without letting prospective line managers so much as phone interview), exactly what the country needs? You are either misinformed or an idiot.

  • St
    Staff recruiter
    7 July 2009

    All I can say is be very very careful checking working permits etc. Many of these have been falsified.

  • An
    Another Statistic
    7 July 2009

    I am not sure this is uncommon.

    CMC Markets have been doing something similar.

    They have been making severe job cuts through out IT. On the other hand they employed the service of Thoughtworks consultancy who do heavily rely on bringing in staff from India. On the same day that permanent UK staff were being put at high risk of redundancy and being sent on garden leave, staff were arriving in the office from India (fresh off the plane) . And for several weeks more staff arrived fresh from the airport with their luggage.

    When a former company outsourced work to India and brought staff over for training they, as the client, ended up paying for the flight, full-board hotel accomodation and daily travel expenses of each person.

    From what I hear salary expectations in India have increased. Between all the middle-men I wonder how much are they really saving.

    The recruitment conusltants are also feeling the pinch as a result of this.

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