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How to be a quant

If you want to immerse yourself in financial engineering but don't know where to get into the algebraic ocean, Emanuel Derman is here for you. Author of My Life as a Quant, former head of the equities quant strategy division at Goldman Sachs, and director of the financial engineering programme at Columbia University, Derman gave an interview to TradingMarkets.com, the high points of which were as follows -

· Don't go straight to quant

"Get a bachelor's degree in solid subjects like math, statistics, applied math, - physics, yes or no. I'm a physicist but I don't think that's critical. But a lot of rigorous things.

Financial modeling isn't that rigorous and though many people may not agree with me but I think it's a mistake to start it too early. That is, unless you want to become a trader when you're 18 and know that for sure.

But if you want to be a financial engineer I think you first need a really firm basis in skills that are not ephemeral, you know? You're always going to need to know real analysis or computer programming or statistics.

I'm not saying don't do any financial engineering, but I'm a little bit wary of jumping straight into the field.

· Do a Master's or PhD

"Then, in an ideal world, learn some finance and then work for two years in the financial business. That will help you decide whether you like the research side or the trading and sales side of the business.

Then, if you want to be a financial engineer, come back and get a master's degree or a PhD in that field. And if you don't, go back and work on Wall Street or get an MBA or do something completely different.

But there is more than one way to skin a cat. You can go straight to a master's in financial engineering. Most of our students in the program actually come directly from undergraduate school, get a Masters and then go out into the world and get jobs."

· Try not to be American

"90% of them [young quants] are foreign-born, foreign-educated."

· Get a job on the buyside

"I think the big difference in the last seven or eight years is that most people used to go the sell side. And now many go to the buy side, to asset management, and to hedge funds. That's where the jobs are."

· And then make lots of money doing things no one else has thought of

"If you can find places where people have different aims and different metrics then you can make money between the cracks - It's sort of like lotteries in the sense that people will pay a small amount of money for less-than-fair odds because they don't really care about the odds.

You can get more of that in places where there are new products, and particularly high margin products.... it's probably harder now because everybody's plunging in and markets go electronic very quickly, where as before, they weren't."

Read the entire interview with the king of quants here.

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
  • qu
    quanti-lies
    25 June 2009

    Completely agree with qwanty,

    The title of the article "how to be a quant" is rather ironic as the question implies there will still be meaningful demand for our geeky friends and their pseudo-sophisticated products!

    As we have found out from the financial crisis, the whole exotic products industry is a fallacy. And no matter how you fancify the products, it boils down to REAL risks and REAL returns in the REAL economy!

  • Th
    TheJokeIsNoLongerAmusing
    25 June 2009

    "Are unsociable smelly geeks, found in dark corners, the old Goldman Sachs?"

    No. Next question.

  • RB
    RB
    25 June 2009

    Are unsociable smelly geeks, found in dark corners, the old Goldman Sachs?

  • ri
    risky
    25 June 2009

    Really bc, all of them? A fair few of them seem to grow up wanting to be marines

  • bc
    bc
    25 June 2009

    all americans grow up wanting to be sales and marketeers in banks

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