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Aus banks prefer all-rounders to maths geeks

You don't have to be a maths genius to work in a bank. In fact, firms spurn grads who spend their free time doing algorithmic equations.

Finance sector employers want well-rounded characters who have plenty of extra-curricular pastimes and community or sporting involvement. And they really love anything that indicates leadership or team-working abilities.

Dawn White - who is both the University of New South Wales' employer programmes co-ordinator and president of the National Association of Graduate Careers Advisory Services - agrees that banks like to hire all-rounders.

None of the banks or big accountancy firms hire just from finance and commerce faculties, she says. "NAB and ANZ recruit graduates from all faculties. CBA particularly recruits from business, engineering, law and science, and the globals recruit in a range between those two," adds White.

CBA hires from other faculties too. "One of our 2008-09 interns holds a psychology major and has been working in our global asset management business," says a spokeswoman for the bank.

Sarah O'Brien, acting head of graduate strategy at ANZ, says her firm takes on lateral thinkers and problem solvers from all disciplines. "We consider their work experience, community involvement, leadership skills and their academic record. We also value a strong work ethic."

Maths degrees are not a surefire ticket into NAB either, which also wants well-rounded, flexible graduates who can learn and adjust.

It's the same at Westpac. "We are very broad in our interests and our graduates come from all fields. Our institutional bank, for instance, will consider a range of disciplines, including human resources," says Portia Bridges, Westpac's graduate recruitment manager.

Westpac is more particular when recruiting for finance/accounting positions, but with huge numbers of applicants, it can afford to be picky. For these number-crunching roles, it looks for the same technical qualifications as the accountancy firms do, but it also wants graduates who are "interested and motivated for financial services, more than full of technical knowledge".

The globals seem just as keen on grads with a bit of spark. A Goldman Sachs spokeswoman comments: "We've always looked at a wide pool ... because a number of stellar graduates come out of politics, medicine, arts. It's important we capture them all. As well as academic performance, we look closely at students' extracurricular activities. We are not necessarily looking for specific skills, but the capacity, interest and flexibility to acquire them."

White adds that the Big Four accountancy firms now also recruit from several university faculties, partly because accountancy enrolments have been falling for a few years.

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  • me
    me
    6 August 2011

    Re: Chris

    what makes you think that they should hire you if you can crunch numbers or even come out with a master degree? it's just as a easy to pull someone from another asian country if thats all they are looking for?

    i have met graduate who could crunch numbers probably just as good as you, but at the same time with the relationship skills where they knows how to communicate with all stakeholders. This is why extra curricular activities are highly regarded. because it allows someone to learn the importance of team work and able to communicate their ideas to other people.

    to be blunt, a masters degree will be little help until you know how to apply theory into the real world. maybe try with an entry level position, even in a call centre and start from there.

    goodluck with your job hunting process.

    Re: Stupid, that name suits you. A good explanation to why you haven't been offered a role is well demonstrated by your comment. try to use a brain before a comment is made.

  • me
    me
    6 August 2011

    quite interesting to come across this site. i have to disagree with everyone who made comments about "who you know". as a graduate, it doesn't matter who you know, you will still go through the same process as everyone else. and it's not all about luck. we might see our CV to be one of the best, until you see what other candidates written down on theirs. as a senior banker, i would give some truthful advice. only get into what you are passionate about. a job that sounds good but you dont like it, it will be a nightmare and you will hate it. working for a bank definitely sound fancy for university students, but reality is a different story. if banking, audits, IB is something you are passionate about, go for it and chase after the dream, graduate role is not the only way to go. i have started my banking career as a teller. worked my way up through retail, business, and corporate banking in the past two years. ended up in risk management for now.

  • Th
    Those who really succeed
    11 March 2011

    People make these statements all the time like "we do not want maths geeks". I do find this misleading and narrow-minded. They assume that all engineering/maths graduates are incapable of anything other than number-crunching. Funny thing is, these people are often the most creative, capable of dealing with pressure and able to understand strategy. I also find it ironic that James H. Simons, founder and CEO of Renaissance Technologies is one of these "maths geeks". Before starting his hedge fund and becoming a multi-billionaire, he was a maths professor and to this day is still heavily-involved in this passion.

    I agree with the majority of the posts here that it is truly whom you know that gets you the job. Then again, if they do not really want you and your capabilities, do they deserve your time? It does work both ways after all. Even though it sounds cliche, don't get too hung up on one thing. I had a friend who graduated with stellar marks in engineering. Banks ignored him, but now he's making a killing working in petroleum. Good luck everybody!

  • Ch
    Chris
    12 January 2011

    It would also seem that being a maths geek doesn't help your case either. I graduated from USYD in 2009 with a bachelor of science in financial mathematics and statistics. I spent the majority of that year searching for jobs in banks and any kind of firm that would have me.

    Most places wouldn't even return my calls so interviews were quite out of the question.

    I've moved on now and I'm halfway through my Masters of Economics, but how much is it going to help me when most companies wont even pick up the phone and talk to me?

  • St
    Stupid
    16 November 2010

    I can't believe some of the people that get grad jobs at big 4 accounting and banks. I knew many who failed courses, some who would literally break-down during exam period and who had literally NO IDEA about broader issues in business and finance. What was the common factor amongst these applicants?? OH YEAH, they were all young, pretty, 20 something girls!!!

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