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Are juniors being frozen out of the market?

If banks really are secretly hiring, they don't appear to be secretly hiring juniors. According to recruiters and headhunters, the current emphasis - as ever in a downturn - is all on hiring big hitters who can bring in business. Junior vacancies are being patched up internally.

"A lot of houses are interested in upgrading. They want senior people who can really make a difference," says a partner at one London search firm. "At a junior level, there's no external hiring going on - there are plenty of juniors who can simply be transferred across," he adds.

Junior bankers who are out of the market will be pleased to hear that this is not the universally held view.

"There's still a good level of external recruitment going on for junior resources that we can't source internally," says the head of recruitment at one US bank. "In areas like risk and compliance both junior and senior people are sought-after in the open market."

Michael Moran, chief executive of Fairplace, an outplacement firm providing career management services to redundant bankers, says the going is actually hardest for people with three to five years' experience than for the most junior of juniors: "It's easier if you've had less than 18 months' experience and can apply as a trainee. People who've already got a fair amount of experience have had their bite at the cherry and can't be re-employed as new starter at a lower rate."

If you fall into this category, Moran says your best bet is networking directly with banks, rather than going through recruiters. Failing this, a change of career may be necessary.

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
  • jk
    jkjaden
    11 May 2009

    I am doing a physics phd in Germany in a "normal" university. From time to time I think of applying for a finance job but would I stand any chances ? It's been since Nov 2007 since I graduated with an Msc in theoretical physics at Imperial. I think the time period is already to long to count on the advantage of this degree. However I would have to start in a junior role since I haven't worked in the finance sector before. What would be my chances of getting a job in the current environment ?

  • po
    ponterotto
    7 May 2009

    " I did't work on stochastic process or signal processing" and "I use some martingale theory, some econometrics,"

    huh?

  • Mo
    Mos Def
    7 May 2009

    MAN, i'ma be real with u cause we are all real people right now! City boys aint showing no love to us lil shorties, we are the future time to invest in us otherwise there will be nothing to invest in, we studied finance we understand credit crunch, experience is nothing as most of ya'll only have experience in losing money! pay attention otherwise we shorties are gonna start a business and WIN!!!! pushing u oldies out the marketplace, dont say u werent warned!!!

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    atomax_27
    6 May 2009

    To Shout_out

    Thanks mate!! Very helpful advice. I am currently writing up my thesis on algo trading topic, I use a some martingale theory, some econometrics, to build an trading optimisation model. I did't work on stochastic process or signal processing... Seems algo trading is not seen as a quant job, huge number of such jobs look for computer science backgruond... i am quite interested in option pricing, etc , wil it be difficult because my topic is irrelevant? I'm trying all means to prove my knowledge in finace... will sit the CFA level 2 this june..

  • sh
    shout_out
    6 May 2009

    A PhD in Financial Maths is the killer but it also depends on what the candidate specialised in. If you do something with FFT, all doors will be open to you. Nevertheless, an MSc from a university with a good programm and not necessarily a big name will open doors. Birkbeck college has one of the best MSc programmes in the UK. It is rigorous and very mathematical and also very affordable plus it has some of the industry's big names on their staff list.
    I agree with what Rios says; but i would like to say that most people would prefer to recruit their likes in any position. In finance, there are so many PhD Pyhsics and Maths people around. This is as a result of the fact that some 15 to 20 years ago; financial institutions recruited these guys who had nothing to do with PhDs in their pockets to do their quantitative work. Today, most of them are highly successful and are now recruiting their likes into the companies they work for. Hence the belief that only a PhD will give a breakthrough.
    Please atomax_27 do not worry. U wil be fine and very ok indeed. By the time you finish, the market will be back again and your skills will be highly needed.

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