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Robbing MDs to pay associates

It looks like MDs are being sacrificed for the good of associates.

According to a mystery (and therefore possibly spurious) post on yesterday's Deutsche Bank article, associate pay at DB is down only 20% on last year, while MDs are being paid down 80%.

Similar things seem to be happening at BofA, where Ken Lewis yesterday sent a memo with the following message for junior bankers -

I know that every associate in the company is disappointed as we have cut year-end compensation awards across the company...[but] higher-ranking managers with larger incentive targets took progressively larger hits in relation to more junior associates.

VPs and MDs at US firms confirm that associates haven't done badly compared with senior bankers. "There's a big difference between giving a junior guy zero and giving an MD zero," says one. "MDs have stock from previous years and should be able to survive, but for juniors it raises a question of subsistence.

However, one recruiter questions whether associates have been paid well: "Most are too embarrassed to say what they go this year."

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
  • in
    insider2
    13 February 2009

    think it's curious that no one's really pointing out that the biggest payouts were significantly favoring one department over the past couple of years: credit - Need I say more?

    I'm happy with what I got but what I'd really like to know is if this dept got their payout reduced by far greater proportion than everyone else.

    In comparison to businesses like FX / MM / Rates which have brought in stable income with far less utilization of banks' balance sheets. Every boom year these depts. get told "Sorry credit made more, they are our growth business" and now we find out it's all not really true.

    Open up the FT and it's all been just erroneously optimistic MTM, upfront booking of 5-10yr PnL "arbitrage" trades, foolish assumptions on default risk... And getting paid more for it? Time for some fairness to the departments that didn't have and didn't take part in THAT sort of "luxury"

  • DB
    DB Insider
    10 February 2009

    Looks like I was far from spurious then... Associates today slightly down to slightly up. MDs crushed.

  • Pu
    Pure Mugging
    9 February 2009

    Man I got mugged, at BOA salary was 44k as second year analyst and bonus was 15k what a pittance, pure mugging and now I get fired before this year's bonuses.

  • fx
    fxo man
    9 February 2009

    i think those are top top end numbers... i'd imagine something like structured credit sales at a top house in 2005/06 (JPMorgan perhaps?!)

  • Ac
    Actual Realist
    9 February 2009

    Total comp.

    In our hottest area, 2nd year analysts got 150k and 1st yr assocs 250k. Those were the days!

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