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In any normal downturn, banks might offer promotions in consolation for failing to offer large bonuses. This time, however, things are different.

It looks like banks have given up on the notion of consoling people: bonuses are small and promotions are almost inexistent.

"There were a lot less promotions this year than there would normally have been and quite a few performers at associate level didn't get promoted," says a newly crowned VP at one US investment bank. "The reality is that over the bull market they recruited a lot of people who were below their normal calibre and those people were promoted purely to stop them from leaving.

"In this environment, there's no need to promote people - you're just increasing your cost base," he adds.

Morgan Stanley is among the banks said to have held back on promotions. Earlier this month it announced the promotion of 133 people to managing director. Back in 2006, there were 228 MD appointees.

Barclays Capital is also said to be creating ripples in New York over an alleged failure to honour promotions promised to some people at Lehman. "People are really peed off," says one ex-Lehman insider. Barclays declined to comment.

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
  • Da
    Darren
    28 January 2009

    I mean 24yo VP obviously.

    There's an Associate at ABN Amro in Equity Research who is 21. Know a ton of 22-23yo Associates in the front office.

  • Da
    Darren
    28 January 2009

    Fxo man, don't insult me, I do indeed know 3 people who made VP age 24, I just won't post their personal details here.

    At ABN Amro, many people I know went from analyst to associate in just 12 months. HSBC did a few of these as well. And then 2 years is the normal minimum associate to VP, although as someone above commented Nomura let some become VPs after 1 year as Associate.

    So if someone does their 3yr UK bachelor degree, starts in the City at 21, becomes Associate after 12mths at ABN/HSBC, then VP after 2yrs as Associate, VOILA THERE YOU HAVE A 24YO ASSOCIATE.

  • Wh
    Why not AVP
    28 January 2009

    Aside from the Front Office - would anyone really want to be a VP?

    A few banks have AVP roles, VP-esque work yet no where near as much responsibility. Comp for top performing AVP's will mirror that of mid performing VP's.

    VP's have to take an awful lot of shi..

  • Da
    Darren
    27 January 2009

    & I know 3 VPs age 24. It is entirely possible if you skipped a year at school, stood out so got an early promotion, are at a bank where analysts become associates in 1-2yrs, etc. Completely agree with the above, VP at 24-25 is many people's dream goal.

  • VP
    VP at 24 lol
    27 January 2009

    Err VP at 24? I don't think so somehow. Carry on dreaming.

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