Discover your dream Career
For Recruiters

Corporate Pay To Catch Up With Banks?

New York State labor market analyst James P. Brown has a somber message for Wall Streeters who want to see their incomes grow over the next 20 years or so: find another industry to work for.

Bankers' pay is set to stagnate compared with other professions - not just this year and next, but for at least a decade and possibly far longer, Brown says. That's what happened after every previous episode when compensation in finance wildly outpaced that of other college-educated professionals, he told a Manhattan community group Tuesday. He cited work by Thomas Philippon, a NYU-Stern School finance professor who has studied the causes and evolution of pay differentials between workers in finance and the rest of the economy.

Now that the financial-sector bubble has burst, Brown says, "It's a reasonable expectation that in real terms, the salary differential we had between Wall Street jobs and other college-educated jobs will shrink over time." Financiers' pay will be "flat to falling...Not just now, but going forward" for at least 10 years, perhaps 20. "If you are in the finance industry, you need to adjust to that reality. You won't be able to wait it out," warns Brown, a regional economist with the New York State Department of Labor.

'Look Who's On the Other Side of Your Trade'

Instead of waiting for banking to take off again, he suggests better opportunities will arise within corporations that need to raise capital. "The most likely translation of your financial skills is in the finance department of a company. Financial skills translate well into corporate finance departments....I always tell people, 'Look at who's on the other side of your trade.' If you bought it, find out who sells it. If you sold it, who buys it."

Still, Brown says, "If you have to jump into a completely different industry, you're going to have to take a significant cut in pay."

During this or any recession, he says job-seekers in the New York area should turn their eyes beyond Manhattan. New York's outer boroughs and the rest of the metropolitan area tend to be less affected by recessions than the city itself, he says - in part because many companies economize by moving staff and facilities out of Manhattan, where everything costs more.

Government Needs Financial Skills

Other tips he offered:

- When a company relocates, job openings always appear at the new site. (Even if current employees are offered transfers, many won't move.)

- Health care, education and government are traditional recession-resistant sectors. Because that is so widely known, the number of applicants has surged since the economy weakened. So getting hired in those fields isn't as easy as it was a few years ago.

- That said, government - both New York State and federal - still looks to be a haven for financial professionals.

"The state never has enough accountants, auditors, health care professionals," says Brown. And federal agencies including the FDIC and SEC have a large and growing need for financial skills to clean up the mess caused by the industry's meltdown. Many openings are in Washington, D.C. But the Federal Reserve Bank of New York has a big role in the cleanup, Brown notes.

What's more, in both state and federal agencies, much of the work force is very close to retirment. So they must recruit actively just to maintain current staffing levels.

"I am a regional economist," says Brown, who is 52. "There are 10 of us (working for) New York State. I am the third-youngest. I am three years away from my minimum retirement age."

author-card-avatar
AUTHORJon Jacobs Insider Comment
  • Ma
    Marc
    26 January 2009

    Jon, thanks for the link. Much of the qualitative discussion makes sense. I would have lots of questions to pose, but this is not the forum to do so. Increased regulation, as pointed out in the article, certainly has an impact on the size and availability of capital pools. However, we are *not* in the depression (although perhaps the Austrian School would claim we are repeating the same mistakes that led to the last one), and we do not have double digit employment (yet). I do believe we are heading for far more pain than the "average" opinion projects, but our circumstances are vastly different than the Depression Era, although the ineffectualness of the government to respond is not. It is the last point that I fear the most.

  • Jo
    Jon Jacobs
    23 January 2009

    Marc, Mr. Brown mentioned work by Thomas Philippon, a professor at NYU-Stern who has studied the causes and evolution of pay differentials between workers in finance and the rest of the economy over the past 100 years. Here is what appears to be the main paper by Philippon that undergirds Brown's forecast that financial industry compensation will underperform for at least the next decade: http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/... --Jon Jacobs, eFinancialCareers News staff

  • Ja
    Jane Lopez
    23 January 2009

    An informative eye-opener article w/good advice included.
    Thank you.

  • Ma
    Marc
    23 January 2009

    What kind evidence does Brown provide, if any? If he provided it and you failed to include it here, then what is the purpose of this article? If he didn't provide it, what's the purpose of this article? Anyone who makes projections 10-20 years into the future should be immediately discounted, like the dollar I plan to receive then. One thing is certain, in 20 years, if I'm still alive and kicking in the US, I'll be paying taxes. Secondly, what group is he talking about? Does he think traders will be getting paid less? They get %PnL, do you think they'll work for the bank for a "flat" structure? Perhaps they'll have smaller capital pools to work with for a while, and back office will stagnate, but Wall Street is where the money is, and likely continue to be. The highest paid people are those that get to the grab bag first, unless we have claim that Wall Street will become a fully nationalized and micro-managed arm of the US Govt. It's in fashion to say that today, but even democrats are not keen on the idea. For an example of what would happen, see the UK. The pound never had a more appropriate name.

Sign up to our Newsletter

The essential daily roundup of news and analysis read by everyone from senior bankers and traders to new recruits.

Boost your career

Find thousands of job opportunities by signing up to eFinancialCareers today.
Latest Jobs
Treliant
Collateral SME
Treliant
New York, United States
Bloomberg
Legal Data Analyst - Case Analysis (INDG)
Bloomberg
New York, United States
CME Group
Director, Equity Products
CME Group
New York, United States
Ameriprise Financial, Inc.
Senior Resolution Specialist
Ameriprise Financial, Inc.
Minneapolis, United States
Columbia Threadneedle Investments
Senior Portfolio Management Assistant
Columbia Threadneedle Investments
New York, United States

Sign up to our Newsletter

The essential daily roundup of news and analysis read by everyone from senior bankers and traders to new recruits.