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Can commodities traders really expect big payouts?

Most people will now be resigned to receiving a substantially lower bonus, but in commodity trading that may not be the case. According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, commodity desks could generate as much as a third of the net income at Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley this year.

Does this mean commodities traders will get paid? The Journal quotes Michael Karp, CEO of search firm Options Group, who says they'll get paid flat at best. But flat looks very generous: last year Karp says top performers made $10-20m.

Whether banks will be able to avoid paying these sums again will depend upon traders' negotiating position and ability to find alternative employment elsewhere.

Hedge funds may yet be interested. Many are said to be turning their backs on trading equity volatility, in favour of trading derivatives based on commodity indices. Utilities and oil majors are also hiring.

Jakob Bloch, managing director of recruiter Commodities Appointments, says banks' ability to be flexible on bonuses may in any case be restricted by contractual agreements guaranteeing traders a proportion of their P&L. "Percentage deals became a lot more popular over the past few years as banks hired in more traders," he says.

Others question this, however. Colleen Quilty, at Correlate Search, says percentage packages remain rare, and that although commodities teams have had a good year, bonus expectations are "humble".

A senior trader at one European house confirms this: "Everyone understands that banks are having a very, very tough time. The game of musical chairs and jumping from one shop to another collecting big guarantees has stopped. People are just happy to have a job."

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AUTHORSarah Butcher Global Editor
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    Winnie
    2 June 2009

    What does one do as a commodity trader? What subjects can one do to be a trader?

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    Sarah, Editor, eFinancialCaree
    25 November 2008

    Hi Rapot,

    eFinancialCareers does have editors, and this article is not a misrepresentation of the article in the Wall Street Journal.

    The headline of the WSJ article was 'Top Traders Still Expect the Cash'. That article states 'Behind headlines of record losses, a small group of Wall Street traders on commodities, currencies and interest-rate trading desks have made huge profits for the banks that employ them. That is setting up a scramble as traders vie for dwindling pools of bonus money once heaped on such top performers.'

    This article is NOT stating that all commodities traders will get paid. It IS questioning whether the expectation of high pay is appropriate in commodities. This is reflected in the title.

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    rapol
    25 November 2008

    ok, having read the source of this article, this is quite frankly pathetic journalism

    How a comment like
    "a small group of Wall Street traders on commodities, currencies and interest-rate trading desks " translated into commodity traders in general getting big bonuses reflects the poor quality of the journalism

    Do efinancialcareers not have any editors??

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    rapol
    23 November 2008

    I find this article very difficult to believe and remain sceptical. While commodities were insanely good performers in the first half of the year, the sever correction over the past 2-3 months would have all but wiped out earlier profits. You would have had to have had impeccable timing to switch from long positions to short positions, as very few analysts expected such a severe correction.... while I have no doubt many did time this well, I cannot believe that even a majority of traders did.....

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    Average Joe
    23 November 2008

    I know of a bank that is cutting it's commodities trading desk...

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